Wednesday, April 30, 2008

Is the Mavs' run over?

With the Little General on the way out, and having mortgaged its future for a mediocre PG on his way down, one must seriously question - has the window in Dallas closed?

18 comments:

Head Dude said...

As constituted now, probably so. I think the one way to keep the window open is if they can get a decent return for Howard, a task made difficult by his weed comments. I think an ideal scenario would be trading Howard and someone else for Carmelo, as Denver might be open to starting over, but I may be overestimating Howard's value.
The bottom line is something has to change at this point -- there are too many scars from the last few years, and they need a new infusion of something. Then again, working from a base of Nowitzki, Terry, and Kidd isn't a bad place to start. I just think Howard's time here has run its course, and with Kidd's age, you can't sit around and wait. That was the problem with trading Harris -- the nucleus went from young to old overnight.

Big Daddy said...

I think you are overestimating Howard's value, particularly after this series. I think the Mavs can definitely get competitive again quick but you look at the Lakers, the Spurs, NO and it's difficult seeing them legitimately compete for a championship anytime soon. But who knows, maybe they'll be able to fleece some time like the Lakers did and get a superstar 10 cents on the dollar.

So assuming Avery does go, who's the next coach? D'antoni? Does Cuban even want to keep the team? (didn't he try to sell a few years ago?)

The Dude said...

I nominate Big Daddy to be the next coach of the Dallas Mavericks

Big Daddy said...

I'd do it. Head Dude can you put in a good word for me with Cuban?

My first move would be to secure the services of the Franchise (not Steve) as Asst Coach/Point Guard (would I call his position Point Coach?)

What say you Franchise? You on board?

Head Dude said...

You made a great point about Cuban, as I saw at least one "expert" argue logically that Cuban could get fed up and sell, as he considered after the Miami loss.
But I'd imagine the just-announced firing of Avery probably means he's staying onboard.
I'd love to get D'Antoni, but it sounds like Kerr isn't necessarily going to run him off.
VanGundy and Carlisle would be terrible fits -- they're too much like AJ.
I'm not so sure with the right coach, and one trade, we can't retool quickly. The Spurs will continue to get older, and the Lakers/Jazz/NO all are very good, but not on the same level of dominance SA/Phoenix/Dallas established for a few years.
Not that either Dallas or Phoenix will automatically re-establish themselves next year. They just have a relatively easier path than everyone outside of the teams still alive.

The Dude said...

I like how Head Dude intentionally neglects to mention the Rockets, who have their 5 best players all in their prime, an exciting young prospect in Carl Landry, and are still alive in the playoffs.

Anonymous said...

Yes dude, congratulations on the rockets surviving one game longer than the Mavs. The problem with Houston's nucleus is at this point, you can never expect yao and tmac will ever be healthy at the same time to make a run. And Landry is a decent prospect, much like bass is with Dallas, but I don't think Duncan is exactly shaking at having to face Carl Landry the next few years.

Big Daddy said...

Well that didn't take long. No not the bickering between Dude and Head Dude but for someone to suggest Coach K for yet another NBA job.

Chris Mannix from si.com so casually gave a list of the usually suspects then added his own "surprises"

"(Rick Carlisle, Paul Silas, Jeff Van Gundy) will be bandied about, it wouldn't surprise me to see Cuban make a big-money bid for Duke's Mike Krzyzewski or Michigan State's Tom Izzo. Krzyzewski flirted with the Lakers in 2004 while Izzo said recently that he would be open to talking to NBA teams."

So what say you Head Dude...would you rather have Coach K coach your Mavs or your Blue Devils????

Head Dude said...

At least with the Mavs, he'd be used to losing the first round!
While it would be a spectacle to have him here, even a big Mavs fan like me recognizes that if he turned down Hollywood and the one NBA star he's close with, there's no way he'd consider Dallas no matter how much money Cuban threw his way.
I don't want Izzo either. The success rate of college coaches on the pro level isn't so good.

The Franchise said...

If Big Daddy gets the head coaching position, I'm officially announcing that I will serve as assistant coach/backup point guard!

The Franchise said...

By the way...

Head Dude is not crazy for suggesting a Howard/Melo trade, because Bill Simmons did the same thing during his chat yesterday. He said that obviously Dallas would have to throw in more, but he saw it as a win-win for both teams.

Big Daddy said...

Whoah whoah whoah...who said anything about "backup" point guard??? You don't have the Franchise just to have him come off the bench. No! I would either move Kidd to the 2, have a 2 point-guard set, or have him coming off the bench backing you up.

I appreciate your willingness to defer with his name and fat contract, but I'm about winning and having people in position who would give me the best chance to do that.

I also agree about a possible Howard/Melo trade. My point was that it would take much more than Howard and just another player to get Melo.

You could probably do a straight up Dirk for Melo but I'm not sure that makes either team significantly better.

The Dude said...

As much as I am in Big Daddy's corner when it comes to, well, anything, I am a bit skeptical of moving Jason Kidd to the 2-spot. Normally, wouldn't you want someone who can, oh you know, "shoot" to play "shooting guard"?

Big Daddy said...

It's no so much a "shooting" guard as more of a re-imagining of the position. Like I said it would be more of a two point-guard set (or if you will, a point-guard and a point-god set). If it came down to someone actually taking the shot, then yeah obviously I wouldn't have Kidd shooting it but hand that over to the Franchise.

Kidd could still dish, drive, run some sets while the Franchise also does the same with his added ability to shoot the rock and play D. I think it could work. If not, we could go more traditional and I have a good back-up point guard in Kidd for my point-god The Franchise.

Head Dude said...

Hell no on Dirk for Melo.
People dump on Dirk because of the flameout against Golden State last year, but the guy with that exception has been a rock in the playoffs. 37 and 12 to knock out San Antonio, 50 to knock out Phoenix and get to the Finals, a 20-footer that would've beat Miami in game 5 if not for Wade phantom call, and he played with fire this series, albeit with no backup support.
I heard Donnie Nelson on the radio this morning and he flat-out said "no" on hiring either a college coach or someone currently on their staff. It sounds like they already have someone in mind. He also said the team was still being built around Dirk, and then Kidd, and then Howard/Terry/Stack/Damp/Bass, though you never admit you're looking to trade someone. As much as I like Bass, I'd trade him with Howard to get Carmelo in a heartbeat. Carmelo's tough, he can drive to the whole, and he's athletic. I'll take Kidd-Terry-Carmelo-Dirk-Dampier and go to battle.

Big Daddy said...

Maybe I'm guilty of overestimating Melo, but to get him I think the Mavs would still need to give up more. Could they really get him if they included Bass with Howard, without giving up Terry also (maybe getting away with George instead)?

But a big three of Kidd, Dirk and Melo, you're right Head Dude would look to be a very competitive team.

Head Dude said...

To be honest, if the trade is Howard and Terry (but we keep Bass) for Carmelo, I still might do it. I'd prefer Howard and Stack, but the Nuggets' nucleus is already old enough with Iverson and Martin, so that's why maybe giving them Bass would help. Hell, I'd give them George and Eddie Jones for free, but that probably doesn't help much.

The Franchise said...

I'd take Howard and Terry if the Mavs would do it. That would make the Nuggets awfully small in the backcourt, but better defensively. If it's Bass, I'm not sure where he fits in a frontcourt rotation that is definitely crowded if Nene makes a full recovery.

Even though it makes at least 3 jerseys in my closet obsolete, I am generally in favor of trading Melo. He's a very good player, obviously, but still has some growing up to do. And the Nuggets need to be shaken up just as much, if not more than the Mavs.